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Thomas S Shelf23 24 Kindle TbrPsychology 2Mental Health
After spending years working in the corporate world, Neil Morton finally decided to pursue a lifelong passion for writing. They currently reside in a quiet suburb where they spend most of their time outlining new stories, reading extensively, and occasionally attempting to bake.
I was pleasantly surprised. I got really invested in the main character's journey. Everything just clicked for me. Will be looking for more from this author.
William BrownJune 14, 2024
I was pleasantly surprised. I got really invested in the main character's journey. Everything just clicked for me. Would probably read it again at some point.
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Jennifer HernandezNovember 25, 2024
It was just alright. It had some good moments, but the overall plot felt a bit disjointed in the second half. Might work better for someone else, just wasn't completely for me.
Nicholas LewisMay 01, 2024
Such a great read. The pacing was spot on and the characters felt real. I didn't find myself getting bored at any point. Definitely recommend it if you like this genre.
Michael WrightMay 22, 2025
Glad someone recommended this to me. It has a good balance of dialogue and description. Everything felt like it moved at the right speed. Worth the time and money.
Charles MartinezJanuary 18, 2025
An average read for me. It felt a bit repetitive in the middle. Could have been shorter. Might work better for someone else, just wasn't completely for me.
George BrownOctober 26, 2025
Not bad, but not my favorite. The writing was fine, but I didn't feel very connected to the characters. They felt a bit flat. It's fine if you have nothing else to read.
Susan WilliamsApril 28, 2025
It was okay. It had some good moments, but the overall plot felt a bit disjointed in the second half. It's fine if you have nothing else to read.
Kenneth HallJune 09, 2025
Pretty good overall. Interesting premise and executed fairly well. Just a few slow chapters here and there. I'd probably recommend it to a friend.
Edward GonzalezApril 09, 2025
A very satisfying read. I got really invested in the main character's journey. Everything just clicked for me. Glad I picked this up.
Nancy AllenOctober 19, 2024
Honestly one of the better books I've read lately. The author did a great job wrapping everything up at the end. No weird plot holes left behind. Glad I picked this up.
Nancy RobertsJuly 04, 2025
Pretty good overall. I liked the main character, though some of the side plots were just okay. I'd probably recommend it to a friend.
Paul ParkerAugust 09, 2025
Honestly one of the better books I've read lately. The author did a great job wrapping everything up at the end. No weird plot holes left behind. Would probably read it again at some point.
Ashley HarrisJanuary 20, 2024
Honestly one of the better books I've read lately. I loved how the story unfolded. It kept me guessing without being too confusing. Glad I picked this up.
Amanda PerezNovember 13, 2025
Pretty good overall. It held my attention, even if a few things were a little predictable. Still a good book.
Sandra HillJune 16, 2024
Took me a few chapters to get into it, but it was worth it. The middle dragged a tiny bit, but the ending totally made up for it. Enjoyable weekend read.
Carol RiveraApril 02, 2025
Finished it in a couple of days. The pacing was spot on and the characters felt real. I didn't find myself getting bored at any point. A solid 5/5 for me.
Betty RiveraMarch 05, 2024
Glad someone recommended this to me. I loved how the story unfolded. It kept me guessing without being too confusing. Glad I picked this up.
Elizabeth JohnsonNovember 24, 2025
A very satisfying read. It has a good balance of dialogue and description. Everything felt like it moved at the right speed. Worth the time and money.
Andrew RamirezMay 31, 2024
Took me a few chapters to get into it, but it was worth it. It held my attention, even if a few things were a little predictable. Not bad at all.
Brian ThomasFebruary 02, 2024
Really enjoyed this one. The writing style is very engaging. It’s easy to follow but still has a lot of depth. Definitely recommend it if you like this genre.
Sandra TaylorMarch 22, 2024
A very satisfying read. It has a good balance of dialogue and description. Everything felt like it moved at the right speed. Definitely recommend it if you like this genre.
Linda ParkerJanuary 13, 2025
Pretty good overall. Writing is good, just wish there was a bit more depth in certain parts. Still kept my attention though. I'd probably recommend it to a friend.
Mark HallJune 08, 2024
Glad someone recommended this to me. The pacing was spot on and the characters felt real. I didn't find myself getting bored at any point. Would probably read it again at some point.
Amanda RiveraJune 02, 2025
It was okay. It had some good moments, but the overall plot felt a bit disjointed in the second half. Just right down the middle.
Ryan DavisNovember 11, 2024
Good, but not quite perfect. Writing is good, just wish there was a bit more depth in certain parts. Still kept my attention though. I'd probably recommend it to a friend.
Kenneth CarterSeptember 17, 2025
Pretty good overall. I liked the main character, though some of the side plots were just okay. Still a good book.
Sandra BakerAugust 06, 2024
A very satisfying read. The author did a great job wrapping everything up at the end. No weird plot holes left behind. Worth the time and money.
Nicholas EdwardsJuly 17, 2024
Such a great read. I got really invested in the main character's journey. Everything just clicked for me. Will be looking for more from this author.
Brian DiazMay 10, 2025
It was just alright. The pacing was a bit slow and I found myself skimming a few pages. It wasn't terrible, just okay. Probably won't read it again, but it was an okay way to pass the time.
Betty WrightDecember 01, 2024
Really enjoyed this one. I loved how the story unfolded. It kept me guessing without being too confusing. Worth the time and money.
Ryan MartinezMay 02, 2024
Pretty good overall. It held my attention, even if a few things were a little predictable. A solid 4 stars from me.
Karen ThomasJanuary 28, 2024
It was okay. It had some good moments, but the overall plot felt a bit disjointed in the second half. It's fine if you have nothing else to read.
Jacob MitchellOctober 11, 2025
Finished it in a couple of days. The writing style is very engaging. It’s easy to follow but still has a lot of depth. Definitely recommend it if you like this genre.
Margaret ReyesFebruary 07, 2024
Honestly one of the better books I've read lately. The pacing was spot on and the characters felt real. I didn't find myself getting bored at any point. Would probably read it again at some point.
Andrew CollinsMay 29, 2025
Such a great read. I loved how the story unfolded. It kept me guessing without being too confusing. Glad I picked this up.
Michael AllenJune 09, 2024
Honestly one of the better books I've read lately. The writing style is very engaging. It’s easy to follow but still has a lot of depth. A solid 5/5 for me.
Karen LewisMarch 21, 2025
I was pleasantly surprised. The writing style is very engaging. It’s easy to follow but still has a lot of depth. Worth the time and money.
Nicholas GomezSeptember 18, 2025
Good, but not quite perfect. Writing is good, just wish there was a bit more depth in certain parts. Still kept my attention though. Not bad at all.
Sharon TurnerDecember 13, 2025
Such a great read. I got really invested in the main character's journey. Everything just clicked for me. Worth the time and money.
Edward ParkerMarch 18, 2024
Not bad, but not my favorite. The pacing was a bit slow and I found myself skimming a few pages. It wasn't terrible, just okay. Just right down the middle.
Margaret MooreSeptember 25, 2024
Took me a few chapters to get into it, but it was worth it. I liked the main character, though some of the side plots were just okay. A solid 4 stars from me.
Stephanie MillerFebruary 26, 2025
I liked it for the most part. The middle dragged a tiny bit, but the ending totally made up for it. A solid 4 stars from me.
Christopher RodriguezFebruary 01, 2025
A solid read. I liked the main character, though some of the side plots were just okay. I'd probably recommend it to a friend.
Dorothy JonesDecember 28, 2024
A solid read. The middle dragged a tiny bit, but the ending totally made up for it. Still a good book.
Lisa GonzalezApril 17, 2024
Honestly one of the better books I've read lately. I got really invested in the main character's journey. Everything just clicked for me. Glad I picked this up.
Michael YoungMay 03, 2024
I was pleasantly surprised. The writing style is very engaging. It’s easy to follow but still has a lot of depth. Worth the time and money.
Brian RiveraJune 02, 2025
Finished it in a couple of days. I loved how the story unfolded. It kept me guessing without being too confusing. Worth the time and money.
Jacob TaylorJanuary 01, 2025
I liked it for the most part. It held my attention, even if a few things were a little predictable. Still a good book.
Joseph CarterMay 05, 2025
Pretty good overall. Writing is good, just wish there was a bit more depth in certain parts. Still kept my attention though. A solid 4 stars from me.
Carol RiveraFebruary 06, 2025
I was pleasantly surprised. It has a good balance of dialogue and description. Everything felt like it moved at the right speed. Worth the time and money.
Sharon TurnerNovember 22, 2024
Glad someone recommended this to me. The pacing was spot on and the characters felt real. I didn't find myself getting bored at any point. A solid 5/5 for me.
Sharon SmithJune 06, 2025
Such a great read. The author did a great job wrapping everything up at the end. No weird plot holes left behind. Glad I picked this up.
Gary GonzalezMarch 03, 2024
Good, but not quite perfect. I liked the main character, though some of the side plots were just okay. Enjoyable weekend read.
Richard CampbellFebruary 02, 2025
Good, but not quite perfect. I liked the main character, though some of the side plots were just okay. Still a good book.
Christopher GreenApril 13, 2025
Pretty good overall. Writing is good, just wish there was a bit more depth in certain parts. Still kept my attention though. Not bad at all.
Ryan HarrisJune 16, 2024
I was pleasantly surprised. The pacing was spot on and the characters felt real. I didn't find myself getting bored at any point. Glad I picked this up.
Jacob ClarkFebruary 05, 2025
I was pleasantly surprised. The writing style is very engaging. It’s easy to follow but still has a lot of depth. Glad I picked this up.
Jacob WrightOctober 23, 2025
A very satisfying read. I got really invested in the main character's journey. Everything just clicked for me. Worth the time and money.
Nancy ParkerJanuary 03, 2024
Good, but not quite perfect. Interesting premise and executed fairly well. Just a few slow chapters here and there. Enjoyable weekend read.
Richard WrightJune 13, 2024
A very satisfying read. The pacing was spot on and the characters felt real. I didn't find myself getting bored at any point. Definitely recommend it if you like this genre.
Kimberly BrownAugust 11, 2024
Finished it in a couple of days. The pacing was spot on and the characters felt real. I didn't find myself getting bored at any point. Would probably read it again at some point.
George SanchezApril 07, 2025
Really enjoyed this one. I got really invested in the main character's journey. Everything just clicked for me. Definitely recommend it if you like this genre.
Michael AllenJune 02, 2025
Honestly one of the better books I've read lately. The writing style is very engaging. It’s easy to follow but still has a lot of depth. Definitely recommend it if you like this genre.
Mark GarciaJuly 24, 2024
I liked it for the most part. I liked the main character, though some of the side plots were just okay. I'd probably recommend it to a friend.
Betty WrightAugust 14, 2025
Took me a few chapters to get into it, but it was worth it. It held my attention, even if a few things were a little predictable. A solid 4 stars from me.
John MillerFebruary 18, 2025
A very satisfying read. The author did a great job wrapping everything up at the end. No weird plot holes left behind. Worth the time and money.
Donna LewisApril 08, 2025
Finished it in a couple of days. I got really invested in the main character's journey. Everything just clicked for me. Glad I picked this up.
Cynthia MillerFebruary 02, 2024
Finished it in a couple of days. I got really invested in the main character's journey. Everything just clicked for me. Glad I picked this up.
Ryan HarrisSeptember 30, 2025
Glad someone recommended this to me. The pacing was spot on and the characters felt real. I didn't find myself getting bored at any point. Glad I picked this up.
Amanda RiveraJanuary 22, 2025
Honestly one of the better books I've read lately. The writing style is very engaging. It’s easy to follow but still has a lot of depth. Will be looking for more from this author.
Ryan NelsonSeptember 29, 2025
A very satisfying read. I loved how the story unfolded. It kept me guessing without being too confusing. Worth the time and money.
Susan JohnsonJanuary 13, 2025
Really enjoyed this one. I got really invested in the main character's journey. Everything just clicked for me. Glad I picked this up.
Laura WilliamsAugust 30, 2025
An average read for me. The writing was fine, but I didn't feel very connected to the characters. They felt a bit flat. Just right down the middle.
Sharon SmithFebruary 06, 2025
Good, but not quite perfect. It held my attention, even if a few things were a little predictable. A solid 4 stars from me.
Brian RiveraFebruary 09, 2025
Honestly one of the better books I've read lately. I got really invested in the main character's journey. Everything just clicked for me. Will be looking for more from this author.
Karen ThomasJanuary 05, 2025
Good, but not quite perfect. Interesting premise and executed fairly well. Just a few slow chapters here and there. Not bad at all.
Matthew PhillipsFebruary 04, 2024
An average read for me. It had some good moments, but the overall plot felt a bit disjointed in the second half. It's fine if you have nothing else to read.
Nicholas AndersonJanuary 29, 2024
It was just alright. Some parts were interesting, while others were a bit of a slog to get through. Just right down the middle.
Eric CarterAugust 17, 2024
Glad someone recommended this to me. I got really invested in the main character's journey. Everything just clicked for me. Worth the time and money.
Patricia EvansOctober 21, 2025
Took me a few chapters to get into it, but it was worth it. Interesting premise and executed fairly well. Just a few slow chapters here and there. A solid 4 stars from me.
Ashley NguyenAugust 11, 2024
An average read for me. It had some good moments, but the overall plot felt a bit disjointed in the second half. It's fine if you have nothing else to read.
Christopher EdwardsAugust 04, 2025
Finished it in a couple of days. The writing style is very engaging. It’s easy to follow but still has a lot of depth. Would probably read it again at some point.
Betty WrightJune 20, 2025
It was okay. It had some good moments, but the overall plot felt a bit disjointed in the second half. Just right down the middle.
Margaret HallOctober 04, 2025
I was pleasantly surprised. The pacing was spot on and the characters felt real. I didn't find myself getting bored at any point. Definitely recommend it if you like this genre.
Sharon DiazMarch 11, 2025
A very satisfying read. It has a good balance of dialogue and description. Everything felt like it moved at the right speed. Definitely recommend it if you like this genre.
Nancy RobertsDecember 07, 2024
An average read for me. It had some good moments, but the overall plot felt a bit disjointed in the second half. It's fine if you have nothing else to read.
Kenneth WhiteAugust 05, 2025
Really enjoyed this one. It has a good balance of dialogue and description. Everything felt like it moved at the right speed. Will be looking for more from this author.
Eric CarterAugust 09, 2024
A solid read. It held my attention, even if a few things were a little predictable. Still a good book.
Jacob JohnsonOctober 25, 2025
Really enjoyed this one. The pacing was spot on and the characters felt real. I didn't find myself getting bored at any point. Definitely recommend it if you like this genre.
Elizabeth SmithJanuary 29, 2024
A solid read. Writing is good, just wish there was a bit more depth in certain parts. Still kept my attention though. Still a good book.
Amanda ParkerFebruary 27, 2025
Took me a few chapters to get into it, but it was worth it. It held my attention, even if a few things were a little predictable. I'd probably recommend it to a friend.
Thomas KingJuly 27, 2024
A solid read. The middle dragged a tiny bit, but the ending totally made up for it. Not bad at all.
Joshua TorresJuly 03, 2025
Honestly one of the better books I've read lately. I got really invested in the main character's journey. Everything just clicked for me. Would probably read it again at some point.
Laura BrownFebruary 21, 2025
Really enjoyed this one. The writing style is very engaging. It’s easy to follow but still has a lot of depth. A solid 5/5 for me.
Robert PhillipsJuly 03, 2024
I liked it for the most part. It held my attention, even if a few things were a little predictable. Not bad at all.
Donna TorresJune 30, 2024
Took me a few chapters to get into it, but it was worth it. I liked the main character, though some of the side plots were just okay. Still a good book.
Margaret SmithFebruary 09, 2024
A very satisfying read. I got really invested in the main character's journey. Everything just clicked for me. Would probably read it again at some point.
Jennifer WilsonFebruary 24, 2025
Good, but not quite perfect. Interesting premise and executed fairly well. Just a few slow chapters here and there. I'd probably recommend it to a friend.
Sarah AndersonDecember 23, 2025
I was pleasantly surprised. I got really invested in the main character's journey. Everything just clicked for me. A solid 5/5 for me.
George MillerJune 13, 2025
Took me a few chapters to get into it, but it was worth it. I liked the main character, though some of the side plots were just okay. Not bad at all.
Susan JonesJune 11, 2024
Honestly one of the better books I've read lately. The pacing was spot on and the characters felt real. I didn't find myself getting bored at any point. Glad I picked this up.
Susan LeeMay 09, 2024
Finished it in a couple of days. The pacing was spot on and the characters felt real. I didn't find myself getting bored at any point. Will be looking for more from this author.
Amanda BakerJanuary 25, 2025
Glad someone recommended this to me. I got really invested in the main character's journey. Everything just clicked for me. Would probably read it again at some point.
Betty WrightSeptember 18, 2024
Honestly one of the better books I've read lately. The writing style is very engaging. It’s easy to follow but still has a lot of depth. Glad I picked this up.
Jennifer HallMarch 16, 2024
A solid read. The middle dragged a tiny bit, but the ending totally made up for it. I'd probably recommend it to a friend.
Margaret GomezMay 21, 2025
A very satisfying read. It has a good balance of dialogue and description. Everything felt like it moved at the right speed. Will be looking for more from this author.
Sandra HillMay 06, 2024
I liked it for the most part. Writing is good, just wish there was a bit more depth in certain parts. Still kept my attention though. A solid 4 stars from me.
George AdamsDecember 25, 2025
A solid read. It held my attention, even if a few things were a little predictable. Still a good book.
Jessica JohnsonDecember 30, 2024
Finished it in a couple of days. I loved how the story unfolded. It kept me guessing without being too confusing. Worth the time and money.
Jessica RobinsonAugust 31, 2025
Pretty good overall. It held my attention, even if a few things were a little predictable. Still a good book.
Linda ParkerNovember 13, 2024
Glad someone recommended this to me. The author did a great job wrapping everything up at the end. No weird plot holes left behind. Worth the time and money.
Kenneth AllenDecember 30, 2024
Finished it in a couple of days. The author did a great job wrapping everything up at the end. No weird plot holes left behind. Will be looking for more from this author.
Nancy YoungSeptember 12, 2024
Finished it in a couple of days. The author did a great job wrapping everything up at the end. No weird plot holes left behind. A solid 5/5 for me.
Thomas LewisFebruary 26, 2025
It was just alright. The writing was fine, but I didn't feel very connected to the characters. They felt a bit flat. It's fine if you have nothing else to read.
Sharon SmithDecember 16, 2024
Finished it in a couple of days. The writing style is very engaging. It’s easy to follow but still has a lot of depth. Worth the time and money.
Jessica HillMay 14, 2025
Finished it in a couple of days. The pacing was spot on and the characters felt real. I didn't find myself getting bored at any point. Will be looking for more from this author.
Charles WhiteApril 26, 2025
An average read for me. The writing was fine, but I didn't feel very connected to the characters. They felt a bit flat. Might work better for someone else, just wasn't completely for me.
David SmithMay 22, 2024
I was pleasantly surprised. It has a good balance of dialogue and description. Everything felt like it moved at the right speed. Would probably read it again at some point.
Nicholas AndersonDecember 13, 2025
A solid read. I liked the main character, though some of the side plots were just okay. Not bad at all.
Brian ThompsonMarch 27, 2025
Really enjoyed this one. I got really invested in the main character's journey. Everything just clicked for me. Glad I picked this up.
Margaret PerezDecember 10, 2024
A solid read. The middle dragged a tiny bit, but the ending totally made up for it. Enjoyable weekend read.
Margaret ScottApril 14, 2025
Good, but not quite perfect. I liked the main character, though some of the side plots were just okay. A solid 4 stars from me.
Nicholas BrownJanuary 11, 2024
Took me a few chapters to get into it, but it was worth it. Writing is good, just wish there was a bit more depth in certain parts. Still kept my attention though. Still a good book.
Eric CarterDecember 31, 2024
A very satisfying read. I got really invested in the main character's journey. Everything just clicked for me. Worth the time and money.
Lisa CollinsMarch 08, 2025
I was pleasantly surprised. The pacing was spot on and the characters felt real. I didn't find myself getting bored at any point. Would probably read it again at some point.
Sharon HillFebruary 18, 2025
Took me a few chapters to get into it, but it was worth it. The middle dragged a tiny bit, but the ending totally made up for it. I'd probably recommend it to a friend.
Charles TurnerOctober 24, 2025
I liked it for the most part. Interesting premise and executed fairly well. Just a few slow chapters here and there. A solid 4 stars from me.
Emily CollinsAugust 14, 2024
Pretty good overall. Writing is good, just wish there was a bit more depth in certain parts. Still kept my attention though. I'd probably recommend it to a friend.
Donald WilliamsNovember 25, 2025
I liked it for the most part. I liked the main character, though some of the side plots were just okay. Still a good book.
Stephanie KingJune 27, 2025
I was pleasantly surprised. The pacing was spot on and the characters felt real. I didn't find myself getting bored at any point. Worth the time and money.
George BrownJuly 27, 2025
It was just alright. Some parts were interesting, while others were a bit of a slog to get through. Probably won't read it again, but it was an okay way to pass the time.
Andrew WilliamsNovember 18, 2025
Finished it in a couple of days. The writing style is very engaging. It’s easy to follow but still has a lot of depth. Will be looking for more from this author.
Ashley HarrisMay 13, 2025
Pretty good overall. The middle dragged a tiny bit, but the ending totally made up for it. Still a good book.
Jennifer HallMay 26, 2024
Finished it in a couple of days. The pacing was spot on and the characters felt real. I didn't find myself getting bored at any point. A solid 5/5 for me.
Charles CampbellFebruary 13, 2024
Honestly one of the better books I've read lately. I got really invested in the main character's journey. Everything just clicked for me. A solid 5/5 for me.
James DavisJuly 01, 2025
Glad someone recommended this to me. The writing style is very engaging. It’s easy to follow but still has a lot of depth. Definitely recommend it if you like this genre.
Michael CampbellJuly 26, 2025
It was just alright. It felt a bit repetitive in the middle. Could have been shorter. Probably won't read it again, but it was an okay way to pass the time.
Nicholas EdwardsFebruary 03, 2024
Pretty good overall. I liked the main character, though some of the side plots were just okay. Still a good book.
Margaret TaylorOctober 31, 2024
I liked it for the most part. Writing is good, just wish there was a bit more depth in certain parts. Still kept my attention though. Still a good book.
Donald HarrisFebruary 04, 2024
I liked it for the most part. The middle dragged a tiny bit, but the ending totally made up for it. Still a good book.
Susan WilliamsFebruary 25, 2025
Honestly one of the better books I've read lately. It has a good balance of dialogue and description. Everything felt like it moved at the right speed. Worth the time and money.
Mark HallApril 27, 2025
Took me a few chapters to get into it, but it was worth it. It held my attention, even if a few things were a little predictable. Enjoyable weekend read.
Margaret MooreAugust 27, 2025
An average read for me. It felt a bit repetitive in the middle. Could have been shorter. It's fine if you have nothing else to read.
Melissa LeeApril 15, 2025
Such a great read. I got really invested in the main character's journey. Everything just clicked for me. Definitely recommend it if you like this genre.
Nicholas BrownNovember 21, 2024
Such a great read. It has a good balance of dialogue and description. Everything felt like it moved at the right speed. Will be looking for more from this author.
Barbara GreenJanuary 25, 2025
Good, but not quite perfect. Interesting premise and executed fairly well. Just a few slow chapters here and there. A solid 4 stars from me.
Elizabeth JohnsonOctober 06, 2024
I have mixed feelings about this one. The pacing was a bit slow and I found myself skimming a few pages. It wasn't terrible, just okay. Just right down the middle.
Sarah GarciaAugust 05, 2025
Glad someone recommended this to me. It has a good balance of dialogue and description. Everything felt like it moved at the right speed. Definitely recommend it if you like this genre.
Charles ScottMay 12, 2024
Glad someone recommended this to me. I got really invested in the main character's journey. Everything just clicked for me. Would probably read it again at some point.
